roe starts now. roe st>> tonight as russian fors appear to regroup the ukraine says putin's army has handed back control of chernobyl. by making big moves on oil and gas and oil prices at the pump will it work? and if, not will voters give him credit for trying? plus, kushner spends more than seven hours chatting with the january six committee and handing more clues to the doj's investigation is growing. as we're getting underway on the thursday night. >> good evening once again i'm stephanie ruhle. fierce battles continue across ukraine as russia's invasion now enters day 37. u.s. military officials say that over the last 24 hours, russia has increased its airstrikes on several cities, and continues to threaten the

area around the capital of kyiv despite a pledge to pull back from the area. >> russia has repeatedly lied about its intentions. according to our intelligence, russian units are not withdrawing but repositioning. >> the u.s. and its allies are now trying to figure out putin's next move. earlier today, president biden weighed in on that. >> he seems to be a self isolating. and there's some indication that he has fired or put under house arrest some of his advisers. but i don't want to put too much stock in that at this time because we don't have that much hard evidence. there is no clear evidence that he's pulling all his forces out of kyiv. there's also evidence that he is beefing up his troops in the donbas area. >> tonight, the white house has released more intelligence about putin and his forces.

one official telling nbc that some senior russian government officials were not on the same page as putin about the invasion entirely. nbc's richard engel is in ukraine with the latest on russia's struggle to control the country. >> russia's military has suffered shocking setbacks in ukraine, some self inflicted. but today, maybe one of the biggest yet. ukraine state nuclear company says two columns of russian troops left the chernobyl nuclear disaster site, still contaminated from the 1986 meltdown. the company said the russians are leaving after digging trenches in the contaminated soil, and receiving significant doses of radiation. the russian military has said radiation levels have remained within a normal range in the area. russia is already striking again near the capitol. destroying this warehouse. ukraine's president zelenskyy who spoke with president biden late yesterday says he needs

more american help to defend his country, including fighter jets and tanks. >> u.s. aid is essential for us, he says. while president putin is making new economic threats saying unfriendly countries, which include europe and the united states, must pay for russian natural gas in rubles, in russian banks, by tomorrow or risk being cut off. >> well that's a putin demand. but so far, european leaders are pushing back on his demands and not yet paying in rubles. we will have more on that in a moment. the war in ukraine has also had an impact on gas prices of course here at home. today, president biden announced a plan to release 1 million barrels of oil a day for the next 180 days from the strategic petroleum reserve. it is the largest release since its creation. >> our prices are rising because of putin's actions. there is not enough supply. and the bottom line is, if we

want lower gas prices we have to have more oil supply right now. >> meanwhile, we're also following the latest in the january 6th investigation, trump's son-in-law and former white house in visor, jared kushner giving a voluntary interview to the house select committee. we will dig into that later. but i want to get back to the war in ukraine. and bring in my dear friend, ali velshi. joining us live from lviv. ali, russian troops had taken control of chernobyl, but according to ukraine, they have left. what can you tell us? >> yes, it's a wild story. they went in five weeks ago, they got in very early and took over chernobyl. they caused all this stuff to stay there, but a number of people have told reuters that they saw those russian columns coming through territory that is known to be radioactive and polluted. 36 years after that incident. and they were quite perplexed by that, they referred to reuters, these are workers saying, they asked the soldiers do you know where you are and what's going on here?

and they didn't have any sense of what they were doing. but then suddenly these russian soldiers started to get sick. so they pulled out, it's not clear whether the pull out is because the russian soldiers were getting sick, because of radiation poisoning, or it's because of this so-called repositioning or focusing on eastern ukraine. i'm not sure what's happened. but they've handed it back to the ukrainian authorities who actually run the power plant, which by the way, is operational. it's an electrical -- a nuclear power plant that creates electricity. it's still operational. it's back in the hands of the ukrainians. but there are indications that the digging of trenches and the movement of the vehicles through that area has thrown up some -- thrown up some dust that is radioactive. and caused a whole -- another problem. as you remember, you and i were on tv a month ago when that other nuclear power plant caught fire after a rocket attack. so this is a very big concern in ukraine and through europe about the danger of these

nuclear plants and with the russians do or don't do with them. >> ali, i know you spoke to pentagon spokesman john kirby earlier tonight, how did he assess where russia might go next? >> you know, the russians have said at the negotiations with the ukrainians in his stumble that it's a show of trust, they're gonna pull back out of kyiv, they're not gonna continue to put their attention on kyiv, and neighboring areas. john kirby, who is very well experienced, he's a retired rear admiral from the navy, had this to say about it. >> what we have seen is a small number, less than about 20% of what we assess is that they're assembled for surround kyiv moving away from this city, towards the north. well we don't believe is that he's planning to send them home. because the majority of the chairs that he still has around kyiv are still in kyiv. they're in defensive positions, they're not moving on the city, but the city is still coming under airstrikes. so what we think he's going to

do is refit these troops, resupply them, and put them back into ukraine for offensive operations somewhere else. >> so the bottom line is, they're having fuel problems, they're having food problems, this might not be a trust building -- in terms of negotiations with ukrainians in might be that there repositioning, as john kirby says, refitting their troops for another fence that might be coming, steph. >> ali, always good to see. you thank you for joining us at this very early and early our, where you, are in the. thank you, ali. with, that let's bring in our experts this evening, phil rucker, paul rudd surprise winning deputy editor at the washington post. retired general, barry curry, a decorated -- former battlefield commander in the persian gulf. and eddie fishman, he served at the state department as a member of the policy planning staff where he led work on economic sanctions, and he was also the state departments russian sections lead during

the obama administration. general, i want to turn to you first. biden said today, president biden, that putin seems to be self isolating. and u.s. intelligence suggesting that his advisers are misleading him. what do you think is going on? >> well, look, clearly the war is an inflection point. it's gone badly. it looks as if probably they are repositioning to go after and try to destroy the ukrainian armed forces and the complete seizure of the crimean maritime border all the way west to odessa. having said that, i'm not sure i want to buy into the fact that putin does know what's going on. the generals may well be trying to cover up the magnitude of the disaster, but he is an intelligence officer. he's been called by heads of government of other nations, he undoubtedly has other sources of information. i think more likely he's desperate, he's scared, he's

running out of good options, he has important economic and military dilemmas that there are no good answers to. the only thing i'm relatively confident about is he can't possibly change his ultimate objective to grab all of ukraine and reintegrated into mother russia. he's really in the hole. >> what do you think about some of the problems his military is facing? leaving chernobyl? >> it looks to me like the chain of command just partially melted down. his general is running the future operations, the divisions, the tank armies, they don't appear to know what they're doing. logistics, communication, maneuver, at the battalion level, they don't have camouflage, they don't have spacing. they abandon armed tanks and beef them by the side of the road. it's simply astonishing. the appear --

can you imagine a battalion digging in in chernobyl? that means nobody in that division chain of command had any idea about radioactivity. these people look really pathetic under paying for it with their lives. they have 25 to 25,000 soldiers wounded and a considerable number captured. so it's really an appalling failure. putin's modernized military, so he said, that he's worked on for 20 years. >> think about that. 25 to 35 possibly killed or wounded. we haven't even reached a 40. eddie, as i mentioned at the top, you were involved in previous sanction efforts targeting russian oligarchs and others. did that experience make the united states better prepared to impose them this time or didn't make russia better prepared to avoid them? >> it made us better prepared.

in 2014, we have never -- it was a very novel enterprise. and now, many of the same folks that were involved in 2014 who had complete years to reflect on the expense or back. and i think that they're better prepared this time around. what i will say, stephanie, russia did try to build this fortress economy, but it didn't expect the united states and europe to go as far as imposing sanctions on the central bank of russia. the best evidence for that is they left 400 billion dollars worth of assets denominated in dollars, euros, pounds and if putin had expected that the west was going to sanction russia's central bank, it would've left all the assets exposed. at the same time, those sanctions are now imposed from almost a month ago. so there has been a bit of adaptation that went on in the past weeks, but if the u.s. were to escalate sanctions again, i think putin would be back on his back foot. >> we'll leave your eurozone

dollars over here and i want to talk rubles. because tonight, in grammar of the eurasian group posted this. putin demanded rubble payment for gas, quickly realized he is not in a position to make demands ... and backed off. suspect we are going to see a lot of that going forward. now we know that existing contracts are still good. gas is still flowing, russian gas into places like germany and other countries. so putin's move basically failed. they said rubles? guess again. we are sticking to the contracts. what does that reveal about putin's position? >> putin is definitely in a weak position economically. the russian economy is something like one 20th on a good day because the united states on european economy [inaudible] russia doesn't have a lot at its disposal. at the same time stephanie, i want to stress that the united states has imposed an embargo on russian oil. europe is still paying putin billions of dollars on every week for russian energy.

russian oil and gas exports are in a bit of a weak spot of the sanctions. we have to be candid about that. and i think that if the united states and europe do not increase sanctions on russian oil, and gas in the coming weeks the russian economy may well recover a bit. so i think that one thing i just wanted to let the viewers know is that this is a weak spot in the sanctions and something that we should be asking when and why are the united states and europe not imposing stronger sanctions on russian oil exports. >> if we do go to ten don't we forget that there's a lot of unintended consequences that could hurt us and other nato allies? >> of course. there are always unintended consequences. i think president biden has done a great job acknowledging that. sanctions against russia are not cost free. this is just sanctioning north korea, an economy that was already isolated. we have to also respect the challenge. but at the same time, ukrainians remain under heavy fire. and it's really challenging for

the west to support ukrainians with the full force that they're able to while really funding putin's war efforts to buy russian oil and gas. it's a hard test, stephanie. i don't want to say that it's not hard. but at the same time, i do think that it's incumbent upon the united states and europe to find a way to do it. and i will say, he did find a way to do it. we cut iran's exports from 2 million barrels a day to 500,000 barrels per day. so i think a very similar campaign could be used against russia in the weeks ahead. >> mister walker, the white house knows there's a cost at home, the president addressed it today with his plan to release oil from a strategic reserve. do they think it's going to have a real impact on gas prices? or is it more, they just need to do something? >> well, it's a little bit of both, stuff. i think that there is hope that by releasing this huge amount from the strategic petroleum reserves -- by the way, this is the largest such move in the history of this reserve. the 40 plus-year history of

this reserve. that over time, it could help alleviate the price of gas at the pump all around the country. but there are other measures as well that are under consideration. look, biden and his advisers are keenly aware of how this is pinching american families across the country, and what that could mean politically for his democratic party and a november minimum election. one of the things we're seeing the president the people around him do is rhetorically try to pin the blame on the surging gas prices on president putin. in the 14 minute speech today about this major oil announcement, biden invoked putin's main some dozen times saying that it was putin's hike at the pump, it was putin's gas problem. and trying to just hammer the idea that this is the fault of the russians and therefore the democrats should not be blamed politically for. it >> do you think that's working with the american people? this putin's price hike?

are they paying attention to? it when they go to get gassed, when they go to the grocery store, do they say, man, it's putin, or do they just ignored full stop? >> you know what, stuff? it's more than just being annoyed. this is really hurting peoples budgets. their bottom lines. people in a lot of parts of this country commute for scores and miles every single day. this is a significant impact on the bottom line for families and it comes by the way in a year where there is an inflation for food prices and all sorts of other costs that families injure and their day to day lives. that's the economic reality that the administration is grappling with. it's one of the reasons why public polling throughout this year has shown the democrats in a great deal of trouble going into these midterm elections. so it's not just a matter of who you blame for, but it's the reality that the economy the house hoard budgets are not working for people, even as economic indicators like wages and job growth continue to look

strong. it's inflation and its gas prices, food prices, etc, that's really the political problem for the president. >> you know that a bigger paycheck doesn't do anything. if everything in your life costs more. remember, that expanded to child tax credit at the end of last year? everything cost more. just as we're going back to the office and putting covid behind us, it's gonna cause for the violent, by coffee, and drive to work. it's complicated. thank you all for starting us off this evening. coming up, the former president's son-in-law talks to january 6th committee. does jarred talking to the committee mean ivanka's next? and later, former north dakota senator is here on the presidents plans to lower gas prices. we will ask her what's actually going to take to get some relief at the pump. we are just getting underway on a thursday night. a thuraysd night registered nurses. 67,000 pediatricians. and we all agree on this...

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jared kushner ever had any question about the results of the 2020 presidential election? >> what i will say is that we were able to ask for his impression about these third-party accounts of what happened on that day and around that day. he was able to voluntarily provide information to us to verify substantiate, provide his own take on this different reporting. so is very valuable for us to speak to him. >> today, the january six committee heard virtually from trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner, in a voluntary interview that lasted more than six hours. a source in the room tells nbc kushner was cooperative, friendly, and he had a lot to say. he also did the talking instead of relying on his lawyers. let's discuss, with us, kenny bender, reporter for the new

york times. and barbara mcquade. a federal federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. she worked with the doj during the biden transition, and as a professor at the university of michigan school of law. barbara, people seem more excited about kushner's testimony. he gave his impressions of what happened on the sixth. but let's be straight here, are we kidding ourselves? jared kushner wasn't there on january six. he was on a plane. so what's jarred thinks and how he feels, that's secondhand information. where is how is that gonna get anywhere? >> i agree with that, stephanie. certainly, we don't know all of the contents of what he had to say, but he did speak for six hours and members of the committee did say that he was forthcoming. i think it's important to consider that the relevant information is not just that which is confined to that day but to the extent they're interested in the planning leading up to that day, the rally that they had who funded the rally who organized it, who brought people in, all of those things are important.

the impression that donald trump was exerting on mike pence to abuse his authority to certify the election results. all of that was occurring even in the lead up to january six, in the months between the election and the insurrection. so i think that there are things that jared kushner likely knows. there is also the reference and the ginni thomas text messages when she's talking with mark meadows that she said, i texted jarred earlier today, was that you? was that you texting ginni thomas? what were you talking about that? so i think that besides just the precise events that are occurring during the attack on the capital on january six, a senior aide close to donald trump, there's a lot that he could potentially know and share. >> katie, if anybody is going to get the scoop of whatever it was talking about, it's you. to bob's point, he might have not been there on the sixth, he was there before, he was there after. of course, he is married to ivanka trump. because jarred appeared to be so cooperative today, does that give you a clue that ivanka could be next to sudden? >> it actually says to me that

they might not need ivanka if she resists because there will know much of the same information. the fact that jarred came in to testify, that he came in voluntarily, he did not vote for executive privilege shows that he's a friendly witness. and he's somebody that people were constantly texting. brother they were texting to say what the former president is doing is outrageous, or they were texting to say, when we think you should do is help him overturn the election. he was receiving a lot of information. that's the kind of thing that could potentially help the committee put together a really full report and connect us they weren't able to do before. but i don't know if that means that ivanka's next. because she has -- she'll have a different set of considerations, she might want to invoke executive privilege given her close relationship. >> katie, your new reporting says that the department of justice is broadening its january six investigation into this range of pro trump figures.

you said today that when the doj investigates a mob boss, it starts from the bottom, and makes its way to prove a crime. is that what we are seeing? >> i would say this, but we're seeing is two investigations play out. one very publicly, one semi publicly. with the committee is doing is extremely public and they're looking at information and drilling down. they're saying, this person looks like they did something suspicious, we want to see more on the suspicious looking person. that's not how the justice department investigates people. they can't investigate somebody just because, for example, they went to a rally. that's the first amendment protected activity. it's a very different standard for an investigation that with the committee has. instead, what the department has done is they started with the break into the capital itself which was a crime. they got process on a lot of the suspects, they got the emails, they got their text messages, they got phone records. and they use that evidence to continue to build and build.

eventually, they charge one of the leaders of a far-right group with sedition. what's so interesting is the timing that is also very different from the committee they do not work on the political block. they do not work to serve political interests. so even in february and march, right after the attack, reporters were hearing valid and credible information with the office was investigating seditious as a charge. but it took ten months for that charge to come to fruition, and it may never have. it took so long that the reporters who said that it may not ever happen. it gives you a sense of how long the justice department needs to build what it considers an airtight case. in this case, someone that they are charging serious sedition, but someone who's not a public official or political figure. how much more careful, how much more buttoned up they want to be with anyone who even came close to -- how so that's gonna be, it's gonna be very different from the committee's work.

>> barb, do you think the doj broadening its investigation is a good sign? they're making a case against trump? because, think of the investigation europe, it had tentacles all over the place and it disappeared. >> i think it's difficult to know exactly what they are finding. just because they are investigating doesn't mean that it will result in charges. but i do find this report to be heartening. what's merrick garland spoke on january -- with doj does its work. one is, they are never going to start and open an investigation on donald trump. that investigation is already open. on january 7th of 2021, they began an investigation. they will follow the facts wherever they lead. so there are already investigating everybody for anything related to that attack. and if that leads to the doorstep of donald trump, soviet. they're not gonna stop start an investigation, there are already doing it. another thing that's important

to understand is that they're never going to announce who they are investigating. i think that maybe the public got incorrect perception of how these things work when robert mueller was appointed, for example, a special counsel to investigate the connections between russia and the trump campaign. that was a very unique situation because donald trump was the sitting president, and you had to bring an independent investigator because the attorney general was a subordinate to the president. ordinarily though, the justice department does not confirm or deny who the subjects or targets of the investigation. one of the other things that merrick garland said on january 5th of this year was that it's important that we follow the norms established in the post watergate department of justice. it's not only important to follow those norms in the ordinary times, it's also important to follow them in extraordinary times. maybe even more important during the extraordinary times. and when we think back to the criticism that was lodged against jim comey for announcing publicly that they were investigating hillary clinton, and then saying was over, and then saying was reopened, that was a mess and i

think that merrick garland is wisely avoiding that course of action. so i think they're investigating, i think they've always been investigating, and only when we see public charges but we know who they are investigating. >> thank you both. you are both rock stars, katie benner, barbara mcquade, thank. you just, ahead biden's poll numbers are down while gas prices are. help former senator heidi heitkamp is here and how the rules on energy can reverse this trend. when the 11th hour continues. h hour continues to be clear and factual, the

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president has very little control over the price of gasoline. but today, president biden rolled out his three-part plan to try to push them lower. in the latest and b c poll, more than one in five americans say the cost of living is their top priority. gas prices are a huge price that. they said relief is going to come but it will take time. >> the industry thousands that it will take a few months to wrap up production and make up for the loss russian oil. in the meantime, what we are doing is released 1 million barrels a day from the strategic reserve. that is a bridge in our supply to get us where the mystic produced oil can make up what is lost marcia. >> let's welcome former senator

heidi heitkamp. as north dakota's first elected female senator, she served on the homeland security. she is also the founder of the one country project, a group that helps rural communities. president biden is making big moves on energy. you are in a rural state where people drive a lot. our north dakota's willing to give biden some time to see if this plan works? if he doesn't, does he get credit for trying? >> i think this simple narrative is no. i think the narrative that is out there is that this is a problem that has basically been caused by the biden administration. you have done a tremendous amount of career work. you know better. i know better. this has been a fundamental shift in how the shell industry has operated in the united states of america. when you have the good times, overspend, over promised,

investors set stopped, we reduce the amount of output that happened even before covid. we saw this downturn before covid. now we see investors saying, look, this has to be sir and before we begin to really amped up domestic production. right now, there is a whole lot of political talk around this, but the reality is that this is not a problem that will get softer morrow. if he comes out, if biden politically comes out, and says i will solve this problem by opening up the strategic reserves. i will solve this problem by lowering the time period for oil and gas leases on public lands, and nothing happens, which is likely what is going to happen, their were not be a dramatic long term result of that. that will just pay people in my state, and really people across the country, more cynical, and not less integral. >> to that point, we keep saying it is 1 million barrels

per day, it is unprecedented. but we use 20 million barrels a day. we are going into the summer when we drive more than any season. 1 million barrels is a drop in the bucket. president biden said maybe it will go down ten cents, 35 cents, even if it is 35 cents, will that be enough for people? gas prices are well over $1 higher than they were a year ago. >> i think the administration is trying hard to blame putin. but if you go back and take a look at what's the margin of growth in oil prices that you can attribute to the war in ukraine, well guess what? we had oil prices bumping up on $90 a barrel before there was ever an invasion in ukraine. that was because we had a supply and demand challenge, but on purpose. today, if you look at the dallas, they do great work looking at the oil industry.

their producers basically tell them that we need $100 a barrel before the fundamentals are actually achieve, what we need to do to make the investment and make our investors happy. and good news, everybody might be shocked that jamie diamond went to the white house to talk about energy. guess what, the investor community has a huge role in this. if i am biden, what i would be talking about right now is how to talk about long term policy stability for the oil and gas industry so that they can make the investments without stranding investments. so that we can actually achieve goals, set those climate goals, but give them a path forward for basic profitability in the future. if you do not do that, they will not make the investments. there is a lot of talk about eliminating intangible drilling costs. there's a lot of talk about -- that what has been on the tax

books since the 1920s to encourage domestic production. when we look at all these things, what i'm saying, people are going to be cynical because in the short term, the soundbites are not going to get the results the people want to get. have a long term strategy so that come to midterms, you actually see a three dollar or less oil at the pump. and then people will say, he did it. not that they will say, oh yeah, he gave us promises. i had to be cynical about this. the short term things, shortening we stymie, opening up the strategic reserves, are not going to get you long term results. >> it is also not cynical, it is not on us. america watch the president pressure oil and gas companies today. but do people realize that those ceos don't work for the president, they don't answer to him. the truth is, whether we like it or not, they answer to shareholders. shareholders like higher prices, they like big profits, and,

truthfully, they want the company to spend on dividends, not drilling an explanation. that is the ugly truth. >> then you have mitch mcconnell saying this is government regulation. hey mitch, read the report, read with the industry is actually saying. less than 10% say this is about government regulation. what they are saying is we need to have long term profitability before we make long term investment. how do we get that done? we know we need american energy. i was criticize roundly for the people on the left side of my party because i pushed for oil exports. i thought that was critical not only for energy security but for national security. understand the industry, apply the fundamentals, listen to what they are saying and then respond so that they can make those long term investments that will get us where we need to go in terms of lower cost and actually predictable,

national security goals and objectives being met. >> the balance between ideals and getting practical. heidi, always good to see you. you always break it down for us. heidi heitkamp from north dakota. coming up, she left kansas city for the war zone to help feed the hungry. but she has found a need to go so far beyond food. we meet one of the american walter is working at the world central kitchen to change peoples lives in ukraine when the 11th hour continues. e 11th hour continues. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, and interactive charts to give you an edge, 24/7 support when you need it the most. plus, zero-dollar commissions for online u.s. listed stocks. [ding] get e*trade and start trading today. never settle with power e*trade. it has powerful, easy-to-use tools to help you find opportunities, 24/7 support when you need answers, plus some of the lowest options in futures contracts prices around. [ding] get e*trade and start trading today.

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drive out of southeastern ukraine. as seen from the car from olga. >> how far it was the journey from mariupol? >> it was horrible, she says. the city was destroyed completely. these are -- from her neighborhood. now across town. >> this man knows not to show his face. says he was with mariupol's territorial defense. his hand shattered by a russian grenade. >> do you think mariupol might eventually fall? >> no never, he says. but he says the russians captured his father. and he is not heard from him in almost two weeks. here, in -- , a humanitarian hub has run up. in all places, amal! anna says this is already helped more than 200,000 refugees. >> when more coming, i understand that by my heart. she says she has been through it. she's fled the donbas region after the annexation of crimea

in 2013. her brother was a young boy who had been rushed out. and the psychological toll it took still hunter. >> he didn't have fun here. so when i saw these children, i couldn't recognize what it will be in the future with this generation. all that came here two weeks ago from the donbas region with 14 family members. up company she built from scratch was leveled. i don't know what to do, she says. here, for so many the future is uncertain. but they are holding on. >> i just believe that it will be a victory for ukraine. it could not be any other way. >> just days ago ukrainian authorities say that a russian airstrike targeted the country's air force command in this area. and earlier in the war, the civilian airport was destroyed. so officials here on very high alert. back to you. >> thousand still living in the city of mariupol have been

isolated by the fighting for weeks. but the international red cross is hoping to start deliver supplies there within hours. >> these residents have been there just struggling to survive. we know that many have run out of food. and we know that it is a huge struggle to get water. andrea, you and i have been saying, having this conversation for the last couple of weeks. situational gets worse every day. that's why it's so important that this convoy happens not only tomorrow, but the day after. >> organizations are also eager to start evacuating people from mariupol. but until now, the russians had made the journey out simply too dangerous. well, one woman from kansas city says that she can sit and watch stories like this from ukraine, any longer. that is why humanitarian marshall ramsey is joining us now from poland. she is working with as a volunteer as the world central kitchen, and helping refugees

cross the border. thank you so much for joining, us thank you for what you are doing. tell me what was it? you are home in kansas city, what is the final straw that convinced you we are getting on a plane and traveling to this war zone? >> good morning stephanie! i don't know that i can say that it was one thing. it was everything. just to see the women and the children standing in lines for hours an hours. i just felt like i had to do something. i couldn't sleep at night. and i thought if i can't sleep at night, i might as well be somewhere helping, so i'm not sleeping a night as well. so, excuse me, i got on the web. was able to make a flight revelation the following week. i was fortunate to central kitchen had an opening. it all fell in place. here i am. >> what kind of work are you doing there every day? >> we've been plagued, a little

bit, with a covid outbreak. so i spent a lot of time in the kitchen. i have been working 11-hour days. three days in a row. and actually, we have been working longer than that. because there's so much food that needs to go out to the refugees. and we are also supplying food to volunteers that are working at different stations. for example, yesterday, i drove for about 90 miles to go to a station to make sure the volunteers from different organizations there had food. and that they also had food to get to the refugees, as they were coming across the border. so, there is a tremendous amount of work to be done here. hopefully i can get more involved with the actual refugees. i've been able to do some purchases, as far as luggage, and different things like that. but i hope this week i will get a better feel of what they really, really made. and start supplying that.

i am going to meet a gentleman that is from kyiv, that has been transporting people from their to here on his own. with his own money. and with prices, and that long trip, he has no more money. so i'm meeting him at a gas station to fill up his bus tomorrow, so he can go make another trip and bring out refugees. >> you are an amazing woman! this isn't your first humanitarian mission. you have done several over the last few years. india, africa, like this on your own dime. how does this experience now compared to what you've done and seen before? >> this is more of a crisis that i've seen. before when i went to africa, india, i just spent time in the villages with communities and provide for them, whatever they need in that moment. if someone is standing in line trying to find beans, i'll buy their beans for them. or things like that. this is different!

this is a massive amount of people. just trying to escape a country with nothing! it's so heartbreaking. to see them standing in line for hours, and hours, and hours. with their animals. with there elderly grandparents. their husbands away, their young sons away. not knowing if they will ever see them again. not knowing when they will see them! and recently i've been seeing signs where people have been looking for family members that they have lost contact with. so this is a completely different trip on my part. it's massive! the food is here. when you go to india, or africa, a lot of times it is just making sure they are eating. here, there are a lot of agencies making sure they are taking care of. i am not any difference than

the thousands, and thousands, and thousands of volunteers that are here. it is just a whole different game here. >> marcia we've got to leave it there. i want to thank you for what you are doing. it is a reminder to our audience, if you need help asked for it. but if you can give help, please give it. and if you would like to help world central kitchen with their efforts across the world. go to donate dot w c.k.,.org. marcia thank you. coming up, another tough lesson in trump economics! for someone who has worked closely by his side. got burned! that's happened before. when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues

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trump does now allow his staff photographer to capture photographs of life and work inside the white house. if you just stacked up the images of the obama presidency

and the trump presidency, you would see two stories of america and the starkest possible contrasts. >> the last thing before we go tonight, pictures worth a lot of money. that clip from the documentary about his life as chief white house photographer pretty much sums up our next story. souza's photos became a new york times bestselling book. not surprisingly, the chief photographer for the president was hoping to do the same. it is practically tradition for the former white house photographers to publish the work. president george w. bush and barack obama even wrote the forwards for these books. the trump photographer apparently had a sweet six figure publishing deal all lined up, but according to the new york times, that is when the former guy stepped in. in a completely on brand move, he found a way to cash in all for himself. according to the times, trump aides first asked him for a cut

for the advancement in exchange for him coming forward. she was then asked to hold off on her book project altogether. the former president published a book on his own. the times pointed out that his book is going for as much as $230 per copy before selling out. most of the voters and they are hers. because those were as photos are considered in the public domain, none of the profits go to the photographer. but she did get a brief shut out along with other west photographers on the last page of the book. on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks at msnbc, i will see you tomorrow. ee you tomorrow.